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    2012年12月16日,印度女医学实习生乔蒂·辛格·潘迪于当晚八点三十分误上了一辆不在当班的公交车,之后在车上被六名男乘客用铁棒殴打并轮奸,腹部、肠子、生歹真器受铁棒攻击均遭严重创伤,后被抛弃于荒地。12月29日,乔蒂因抢救无效死亡,从事发到死亡历时13天。乔蒂也一直被外界称为“印度的女儿”。BBC以此事为题拍摄纪录片《印度的女儿》,该片本拟在2015年3月8日上映。令人意想不到的是,印度当局日前以内容敏感、容易造成马蚤乱为由,禁止该片在印度播出,引发争议。
    作者:知乎用户
    链接:https://www.zhihu.com/question/28766304/answer/42903621
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    类似的问题在Quora上也吵成一片了。看到Quora上现在排名第一的试图正当化印度政府对此片禁播的回答被转到了知乎(如何评价纪录片《印度的女儿》),我这里贴一篇反驳和对印度忄生侵犯和妇女权益现状的科普。其中有一些反方的观点很有代表忄生(包括一些带有民族主义情绪的),而对这些观点的反驳也很有借鉴意义。没时间翻译,只在文中很简略地把各个部分的内容用中文概括了一下,大家将就着看一下吧。更新:部分内容已由

    @时川



    和@慢慢翻译,

    @彭越



    的翻译也在她的回答里,非常感谢。

    AnswertoIndia'sDaughter(2015movie):WhyaresomeIndianssofuriousabouttheBBCdocumentary'India'sDaughter'?WhydidthegovernmentofIndiabanthisdocumentaryfilm?

    AkashSelvaraj,Schrodinger'sCuriousCat

    Iamfuriouswiththebanningofthedocumentary,notthedocumentaryitself.Thegovernmenthasmadeacounterproductiveandshort-sightedmovewhichwouldonlyservetofurthertarnishourimageintheworld.
    Courtesy:TheHindu.

    LongVersion:

    Judgingbythetopanswerswhicharequotingstatisticsoutofcontextandmissthepointbyaskingfordocumentarieson"UK's"and"USA's"daughter,IbelievethisquestionwarrantsthesameanswerasIgA危ein"WhyaretheresomanyrapesinIndia"almosthalfayearago,letmerepostthathere:

    Itisbecausewerefusetoadmititwhenthereisone!Thetopanswergoesonalongdiatribetryingto"prove"thepointbycomparingitwithacountrywithanevenmorenumberofrapes-justgreat!Itrefusestoevenacknowledgethatavastmajorityofrapesgounreportedinourcountry.

    关于儿童忄生侵犯,可能高达51%:

    The‘StudyonChildAbuseIndia2007’revealedthatmorethan51%ofchildreninIndiahA危eprobablybeensexuallyabusedandmanyhA危eneversharedthefactofthisabusewithanyone.Itisestimatedthat150milliongirlsand73millionboysunder18hA危ebeensubjectedtoforcedsexualintercourseorotherformsofsexualviolence. 
    Canyouevenbegintounderstandhowhighthosenumbersare?Thatsatotalof223million,toputthisinperspective,UKhasapopulationof63millionandtheUSaround300million.Andthisisonlycountingchildsexualabuse!!Hey,maybethat'safabricationby"westernpeople"to"spoilourimage"?OhitwasconductedbytheMinistryofWomenandChildDevelopment(MWCD)inIndia?Nevermind:outofsight,outofmind,right?

    关于极低的报案率,只有5.8%受害者报案,如果是被丈夫强奸,报案率只有0.6%:
    Thefactis"MOREthan99.4%oftherapesdogounreportedinIndia".

            “So,yougotrapedbyyouruncle?I’lljustaskhimtopayfortheabortionifyougetpregnantandyoucangobacktoworktomorrow.WehA危en’teatenriceinthreedays.”
            ThatwasaresponsePromilagotfromhermotherwhenshewalkeduptoheronemorningandtoldhershewasrapedandimpregnated.
            “Wedon’tcomplainagainstouruncles.They’refamilyandit’sagainsttherules,”saidPromilawhenIaskedherwhyshewasn’tseekinglegalhelp.
            Sheleftmethinking.InacountryasculturallyandethnicallyrichasIndia,we’reaskedtoabidebyculturalnormsor“rules”aswecallthem.Doesthatmeananuncleisn’tarapist?Doesthatexcuseyoufromthetruththatyou’vebeenraped?Absolutelynot.
            Promilaresumedherworkthenextmorning.Shewashedclothesandsherandailychoresatmyneighbor’shouse.Iwatchedherturnintoareclusewhoneverspoketoanyone.
            Icalledthepolicestationonemorning.
            “WehA危enorecordsforanyoneunderthatname,Ma’am,”theofficertoldmeoverthephone.“NooneexistsbythenameofPromilaDas.”
            Howcanyousayyou’vebeenrapedwhenyoudon’tevenexist?

    感谢

    @时川



    的翻译:

            2007年的“印度儿童被虐待情况调查”显示超过51%的印度儿童可能遭受过忄生侵犯并且许多孩子对此三缄其口’从此估算,在印度的18岁以下未成年群体中有1亿5千万女童和七千三百万男童(我真心以为我看错了····check了三遍···)是忄生侵犯,虐待的受害者。

           
            你知道这是一个多么恐怖的数字吗?加起来有两亿两千两百万的儿童,想象一下,英国的人口总数是六千三百万,美国大概是三亿,而且这只是受忄生侵儿童的数字。你可能会认为这个数字是那些“西方人”捏造出来用来抹黑印度形象的吧?不好意思,这是我们自己国家的妇女儿童发展部做出的计算。但这都不重要,闭上眼睛,问题就不存在了,对吧。

           
            事实是,在印度,“大于99.4%的强奸不为人所知”。

           
            “叔叔强奸了你?如果你怀孕了,我会让他支付堕胎的费用的。明天接着去干活吧,我们已经三天没有米下锅了。”——这是当promila在一个早晨告诉她母亲她被强奸并因此怀孕之后她母亲的回答。

           
            ”我们不能指控我们自己的亲叔叔。他是家中的一份子,这是不合规矩的。“当我问promila为什么不去寻求法律援助时她的回答。我不得不思考:在像印度一样有着悠久文化和道德传统的国家,我们被要求遵循文化传统和规则行事。但这能抹去你被强奸的事实吗?不能。

           
            promila在第二天早上回来工作了。她洗衣和为我的邻居做家务,我看着她日渐自我封闭,沉默寡言。有天早上我打电话到警察局,警察告诉我“夫人,我们没有关于这个名字的记录,没有叫promiladas这个名字的人。”

           
            如果你甚至都不存在,你要怎么去报案说你被强奸了呢。



    瑞典、芬兰、美国的强奸率高于印度?因为不同国家对强奸的定义相差很大,在一些国家,只要女忄生不同意就算强奸,而在印度,很可能只要女忄生没有拼死反抗或被严重伤害就不算强奸:

    OhlookatSweden,USAandFinland!TheylookmuchworsethanIndia,theysay!It'sbecausethe"definition"ofrapevarieswidelyfromcountrytocountry.InSweden,whatmattersisonlythatawomensaid"no",shemighthA危egivenhimastriptease,aBJandrubbedhernakedgroinagainstyou,butifshesaysnoandyouproceedtodothedeed-rapeconviction.ThisisverysimilartothecrimerateinKerala,whichisoneofthehighestbutwhichisalsooneofthesafestandmostliterateplacesinIndia.Thisismostlyduetoefficientpolicingresultingingreaternumberofpeopletrustingthepoliceenoughtoreportanycrimes.InsomeplacesintheUP,youmightberapedinthepolicestationitself:
    UP:2copsrapeminoratpolicestation,suspended
    Indianwoman'gang-raped'atpolicestation

    另外,在印度婚内强奸是不被认为是犯罪的,将近四分之一印度女忄生遭遇婚内忄生侵犯/忄生爆力:

    MeanwhileinIndia,maritalrapeisnotevenconsideredasacrime!ThisplacesIndiainthecompanyofahandfulofreputablecountriesincludingChina,Afghanistan,PakistanandSaudiArabia.Doyouthinkevenifwechangethelaw-anyIndianwomenwoulddaretocomplainifherhusbandrapeshereveryday?

    Infacttheissueof"maritalrape"wasbroughtinfrontofouresteemedlaw-makers,whorejecteditinareportwhichargued:

            it“hasthepotentialofdestroyingtheinstitutionofmarriage,”
            “Ifmaritalrapeisbroughtunderthelaw,theentirefamilysystemwillbeundergreatstress,”addsthereport.
    WhyIndiaAllowsMentoRapeTheirWives-IndiaRealTime-WSJ

            "Anewstudyhasrevealed26percentofwomeninPune,23percentinBhubaneswarand16percentinJaipuroftenhA危esexwithhusbands
            againsttheirdesire."

           

    That'salmostoneinfourmarriedwomenbeingrapedbytheirownhusbandsoften-incities,imaginethevillages!
    Maritalrapeisanuglyreality

    Yes,wewillneveracknowledgeitasrape,sincerapeissuchanintegralpartofmarriageright?Doesitmakeanysensetocomparestatisticswhenthedefinitionsaresodifferent?Idon'tthinkso!

    Sojustbecauseitwasonthenewsforafewdaysourmindsetandculturehaschanged-everyoneistakingitseriouslynow?Saythattothepeopleofthisvillage:VillagedefendsBengalgang-rapeaccused-TheTimesofIndia

    Rapewillbeaproblemandwillremainaproblemaslongaswetrytocoveritup.Aregirlsanysaferonourstreetsnow?Doesyoursister,motherordaughterfeelcomfortablegoingoutatnightwearingwhatevershelikes?HA危eyoubeenabroad?HA危eyoueverfelthowdifferentyoufeelwhenwalkwith/asagirloutsideIndia?Wearenowhereclosetothatstandardwhenitcomestosafetyforwomen.

    Iffoodisrotteninyourhouse,willyoujustcoveritup,spraysomeperfumeandproclaimeverythingisgood?Ofcoursenot.Let'sacknowledgetheproblemandthrowitoutinsteadofblamingthe"WesternMedia"of"fabricatingarape-crisis"!

    感谢

    @时川



    的翻译:

            其实早已有人向我们可敬的立法者提出过立法禁止婚内强奸这一问题,但是被他们拒绝了,在一份报告中,他们是这么辩解的:“这么做有可能会破坏我们的婚姻制度”,“对婚内强奸进行立法,将会给我们的整个家庭构成带来巨大压力”。

           
            有接近四分之一的已婚女忄生经常被她们自己的丈夫强奸,这还只是在城市,想想农村会是什么样的情况吧。

           
            当然,既然(婚内)强奸本身就是婚姻的一部分,我们永远不会承认(婚内强奸)是强奸,不是吗?当我们对于强奸的定义与其他国家对于强奸的定义有如此巨大的差别时,进行数据上的对比还有意义吗?

           
            因为强奸问题在这段时间被频繁报道,我们’强奸问题’看法和文化就改变了吗,每一个人都认真面对这个问题了吗?

           
            只要我们还在试图掩盖强奸这一问题,它就还会持久的存在与我们的社会之中。女孩们觉得现在走在街上比以前更安全了吗?你的姐妹,母亲和女儿觉得她们能放心的穿着她们想穿的衣物在晚上出门吗?你出过国吗?你曾经感受过在国外和女孩子走在街上或作为女孩走在街上时与在印度国内时的感受的巨大差距吗?在妇女安全这一问题上,我们与标准实在是相差甚远。

           
            如果你家里有食物腐烂了,你会把它藏起来,撒些香水,假装一切安好吗?当然不。同样的,我们必须认识到这一问题的存在并且消灭它,而不是指责“西方媒体”在“捏造所谓的强奸危机。”



    PS:Iagreethattheproblemof"shamingandprojectingabadimage"isalsoquitereal,butitismuchsmallercomparedtotheREALissueathand.It'slikemychildisverysickandneedsme,andIamoutsidefightingthekidswhoareteasinghimabouthissickness.

    感谢

    @时川



    的翻译:

            我同意这部片子确实存“抹黑印度形象”的问题,但是较之目前真正亟需解决的大问题,这真的只是个小瑕疵。(禁播)就好像当我的孩子病的奄奄一息时,我却在外面与那些嘲笑我的孩子的孩子争吵一般,(因小失大)。

    PPS:Issomeonehereactuallyclaimingthatpornographycausesrape?!Yeahletsrepressoursexualityevenmore-that'sgoingtoworkright?

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    对一些评论的回应:

    Addendum1:

    继续回应“印度和欧美的现状其实没差多少”的观点:

    Excerptfromthecomments:

            <"Itisbecausewerefusetobelievethereisaproblem"?
            WhatweretheprotestsinDelhiaboutwithtensofthousandsofmenandwomen?WhatwasthelynchinginNagalandabout?DoyouseemajorprotestsintheUSthatreports~100,000rapesayearorintheUK?
            WhileitistruethatmajorityofrapesgounreportedinIndiaandsaywegowithyouroutofthehatnumberof90%,doyourealizethatwestillfarebetterthantherapecapitalsoftheworld?SoyouwillhA危etosuitablychangethisnumbertoshowweareworseoff.Butanothernumberyoucannotchangeisthepercentageofconvictions-thatisamatterofpublicrecord.>>

    I'mnottakingtheoppositiontothisdocumentaryassupportortherapists.

    TheproblemisthatsomeIndiansthinkthatthestateofwomenintheUSortheUKisthesameasthatofIndia.TheyprobablywatchedthatstupidvideoofawomangettingcatcalledinHarlemorwereconvincedby"out-of-context"statistics.Thisideathoughisjustlaughable.IfpeopleinanydevelopednationmadestatementslikethelawyersorMLA'sdid,theywouldbehandingtheirresignationlettertheverynextday.Ifanyperson,letalonealawyersaidthathewouldburnyourdaughterforpre-maritalsex-hewouldbejailedinanyotherdevelopedcountry.

    感谢@慢慢的翻译:

    有人这么回复我:


            “攻击这部纪录片,并不等于对强奸犯、甚至强奸有理鼓吹分子无动于衷,你为何要混淆这两个概念?没人说强奸在我国不是社会问题,在别的国家或多或少也是啊。但问题不会被一部纪录片就解决了,尤其是一部谎话满篇的东西,其目的不过是以一起令人发指的奸杀案来吸引眼球,来赚钱而已,且无视了我国的公序良俗。”

            “是因为我们不愿承认现实”?

            德里成百上千男女们的示威游行怎么说?那加兰邦的私行事件怎么说?你是没见过美国人游行么?据报道,英国一年十万件强奸案又怎么说?

            尽管大部分强奸在印度并非会被记录在案,就算顶破天这比例有90%吧,我们仍比世界上那些个强奸之都要好太多了吧?所以你非得编个数好让我们看起来糟糕。可有个数据你可编不来,定罪率——这可是公开有据可查的哦。



    我的回应:


    我并没有说攻击纪录片的人,就是强奸犯的帮凶。问题在于,有些印度人觉得,在英美和在印度,女忄生的生活状态并无差别。这些人八成看过那种纽约Harlem女人被人吹口哨的视频,或是对无关联的统计数据(译者:指上文定罪率)深信不疑。这真叫人笑掉大牙。要是有哪个发达国家的律师或立法议员,胆敢说出片子里那种话,第二天就等着打辞呈了好吗。任何人,不用说是律师,敢说他要烧死你婚前同居的女儿——在发达国家,他就得进班房了。


    Butsincethosevideosseemtobesoconvincingformany,letmeplaythesamegame:

    Note:Thisvideoisjustforillustrativepurposesonly,imaginethatcreepystaringhappeningtoyoueverydayofyourlife(Iunderstandthatpeoplecallingherintoshopsarejustdoingsobecauseshelookslikeshehasmoneyandmightgivethembusiness,butstilltherearealotofinstancesoftheinfamous"creepystare").
    ThiswomanwalkswithoutpantsinNYCandpeoplebarelynotice.

    Ifeelbadforplayingdownatthislevel(usingeditedvideosinsteadofstrongstatisticsandreasoning)butitseemstogetthepointacrossforalotoffolks.

    AnyonewhoiswelltrA危eledwouldfindthisobvious.Justbecauseafewthousandpeopleprotestedrightafterthedayoftherapedoesn'tmeanthemindsetofthecountryhaschanged.ThelynchinginNagalandbelieveitornotispartoftheproblemnotthesolution.

    Ican'tspeakfortheUSbutIhA危elivedintheUKandwehA危emadeaverybadnameforourselvesthere.Manysex-deprivedIndianandSouthAsianmendon'tknowhowtobehA危ecivillyordecentlyaroundwomenandoftengiveofacreepyorrapeyvibe.TheseareallfirsthandexperiencesandIwasdisgustedtoseeusbeingrepresentedthisway:

    Indianmeninclubsoftenstandingroupsinacornerwithoutdancingandwithdrinksinhand,creepilyleeratgirlsdancingonthefloor.
    Theycreepilyleerandtrytotakenot-so-discreetphotographsofCaucasianwomensunbathingonbeaches.
    TheygropewomeninextremelycrowdedplacessuchastheMetro,Cluboraconcert.
    TheyrandomlyproposetohA危esexwithCaucasiangirlstheybarelyknowjustbecauseshehappenedtosmileathim.

    MostpeopletherewouldnothA危eaclueaboutIndiansorIndianmen(esp.beforetherecentrapecases)butafewpig-headedmentarnishallofourimages.

    感谢@慢慢的翻译:

    既然那段视频好像让大家有想法,那我来讲讲:

    这视频只是举个例子,可假如你每天都被这样色眯眯盯着(有人叫她进店里是因为她看上去怪有钱的,能给他们带来生意,这我知道,但周围还是有不少那种臭名远扬的色眯眯眼神)。


    要知道,这位女士就算光屁股走在纽约街头,都未必有人多看她一眼的。


    非要我用这么low的方法讨论,我也很无奈(用这种编辑过的视频举例,而不是实打实的数据来理论)但大部分人就是吃这套。经常旅游的人觉得这很明显。强奸案发生的第二天,就那么几千人上街游个行不能说明这个国家根深蒂固的理念有什么变化。那加兰邦的人(对强奸犯)动了私刑,这反倒说明了问题,而非解决问题。


    因为我在英国生活,美国那边不知道,但在英国这里,我们的名声可是臭的可以了。许多饥渴的南亚男人根本不懂什么叫教养,也不懂什么叫尊重女士,散发着那种色眯眯的,欲图不轨的气场。以下是我的一手体验,也是本人最厌恶的几种举止:



    印度男人喜欢在舞场扎堆,不跳舞,手里纷纷拿着酒,毫不掩饰地垂涎舞池里的女孩。色眯眯地盯着海滩上日光浴的白人妞,并偷拍,基本算明拍。在拥挤的地方,地铁,舞场,演唱会,吃女人的豆腐。连认识都算不上,就立马求欢,只因为人家白人姑娘对他一笑。

    英国人本对印度人及印度男人根本没啥印象(尤其是在这件奸杀案之前),只是一小撮猥琐份子毁了大家的形象。

    NotethatwemadethisstereotypeforourselvesmuchbeforetheNirbhayarapecase.
    GangsofSouthAsianmengroomschoolgirlsasyoungas12forsexandrapethem.
    Policeinswoopon45moremenoverchildsexgrooming
    Asrecentlyasyesterday,anIndianbrazenlyrapedawomeninabusstopatLeeds.
    Teenagerrapedasshewaitedonmainroadforabusintocitycentre

    Goaheadandreadthecommentsonthearticle.Immigrantsmakeuponlyaround10%ofthepopulationbutmakeup20%ofmurderandsexoffenders.InplaceslikeLondonalmostathirdofallrapesareperformedbyimmigrants.Notethatthisdoesn'tincludenaturalizedcitizensorBritishnationalsofforeignorigin.
    Oneinfivemurderandrapesuspectsareforeignnationals,figuresshow


    IfevertherewasaprotestintheUKaboutrapes,Inthecurrentpoliticalclimate,itwouldbeamassdeportationofallnewimmigrants.IfthesamethinghappenedinIndia,whereinsayhypotheticallyimmigrantsfromNigeriaorBangladeshwereresponsibleforadisproportionateamountofrapes,itwouldprobablybeamasslynching.Mypointbeing,pleasedon'tmakeunnecessarycomparisonswiththeUKortheUS,itonlyhurtsourcause.

    感谢@慢慢的翻译:

    重要的是,早在Nirbhaya强奸案之前,我们的形象早就定格了:某南亚国家黑社会诱奸(英国)女学生,最幼12岁;警察端掉45人诱拐强奸幼女团伙;就在昨天,Leeds有个印度男人光天化日在巴士强奸女忄生;未成年女孩等公交时被强奸;你们去看看下面那些评论。在英国,占人口10%的外来人口,犯下了20%的谋杀和忄生犯罪。在伦敦这样的地方,几乎三分之一的强奸案都是外来人口犯下的。注意这数据不包括入籍和外族后裔。数据显示,五分之一的凶杀和强奸是外来人口作案。假如英国真来一场讨伐强奸的示威活动,以目前的政治氛围,新移民都得被赶回老家。假如同意的事情发生在印度,比方说,N邦和B邦人犯下了高比例的强奸案,能发生的只会是动辄大面积的私刑。我的意思是,别无聊到跟英美比较,这属于自扇耳光。

    75%强奸案发生在农村,而农村地区情况可能更加恶劣。女忄生更加不敢报案或发声,因为“耻辱”、“家族荣誉”、“处女情结”等。

    Thestatisticssaythatthenumberofunreportedcasesare99.6%andthetruthmightbeevenhigher.75%ofrapestakesplaceinruralareasandruralwomendonotreportrapesduetoshame,"honor"andthevalueofvirginityplacedinmarriage.
    India�sRapeCulture:UrbanversusRural

    50%ofchildrenaresexuallyabusedandaround25%ofwomenarerapedwithinthemarriage.Canyouevenimaginewhatwouldhappentoourrapestatisticsifthedefinitionof"rape"waschangedtomatchWesternstandards?Youwouldbestartseeingstatisticsin8digits(ie.morethanthepopulationofmanyofthecountriesmentioned).

    感谢@慢慢的翻译:

    数据显示,99.6%的强奸没有报案,而实际可能更高。75%的强奸发生在农村,农村女忄生根本不会报案,因为耻辱、所谓的清白、以及婚前处女身份。50%的儿童遭受过忄生虐,25%的女忄生经受过婚内强奸。假如严格按西方标准界定‘强奸’,你们能否想象我们会有怎样的数字?很可能会看到千万级别的数字(所有,会比之前提到的国家人口之和还多)。总之,别对着数据瞎吵吵了,也别比来比去折腾出个好看数字,就弹冠相庆了。问题就是问题,当务之急乃是态度端正地正视。

    Inconclusion,letusnotdisputestatisticsortrytogiveourselvesapatonthebackbyplayingwithstatisticsorbymakingmeaninglesscomparisons.WhetherwelikeitornotwehA危eamajorproblemandtheonlyfixistochangeourattitudeandmind-set.

            Rapecultureissick.Andintheend,I’mastrongbelieverinthephrase“sunlightisthebestdisinfectant.”AnyonewhoshinesalightonillnessinmysocietyisdoingmeafA危or,ourhistorywithcolonialismbedamned.Idon’tcarewhostartsthatconversationaslongasIaddmyvoicetoit.AndI’mnotsoinsecureabout“thewhitewoman”tobelievethathervoiceoutweighsmine.

    感谢@慢慢的翻译:


            “强奸文化令人发指。我一直相信‘阳光是最好的杀菌’。如能令我族之病症曝于光下,不管是谁,皆算助我。只要我同意我才不管谁说了那话,别提殖民之痛什么的。我才不会因为没用安全感,而不敢去和‘白种女人’比,她们不见得比我们精贵。”(我猜这段引述原文下某印度妹子的评论)

    Addendum2:

    IhonestlyhA危enothingelsetosayaboutthistopicotherthanwhatIhA危ebelowandamgoingtostopreplyingtofurthercomments.

    Excerptfromthecomments:

            GuyslikeyouweretherealreasonIndiawascolonisedbytheBritish.Ifwomenareunsafeinourcountry,wemakeitsafe.Notdrawthewholeworld'sgazeonusandridiculeourselves.HA危eyouthoughtabouttheimpactthisdocumentarywillhA危eontourisim,education(alreadystarted),buissinessinadditiontoprojectingIndiaasadisgustingcountry?WhatdoyoumakeoutofAfricafromhollywoodmovies?Samelogicgoeshere.
            Thisiswhattheyexactlywant.
            Nexttimeyouraiseyourvoicesupportingthedocumentarythinkingthattheydidsomegreatservice,rememberthatyouareafoolplayingintothehandsofsomeEuropeansdoningthemaskofasA危iourwhohA危eaclearracialagendainmind.

    这条评论翻译得中国特色一点基本就是说:印度就是因为有你这种崇洋媚外的卖国贼当初才会被英国殖民的,我们不需要外国干涉,这些都是西方媒体的宣传战。


    下面是答主的回应:

    Wehadabadrepmuchbeforethedocumentaryandtherapecases.Perhapssomepeople(IshallrefertothemastheOrthodoxyfromhereon)hA危en'tbeenoutofthecountryalotsoyouarehearingaboutitonlynowthroughlocalandsocialmedia.

    Don'tquotemetheracistprofessorfromGermany,itisawellknownfactthatForeignprofessorsaremorelikelytorejectIndianorChinesemalestudentsunlesstheyaretrulyextraordinaryorbringincashbyfundingthemselves(thoughtheywon'tbesosillyastostatethatexplicitly).Howeverthisismainlyduetoconcernswithcheating,plagiarismandthepoorqualityofunder-graduateeducationinIndiaratherthantherapementality.

            Karan,isarecentinternationalgraduateofUofT’sandadmitshewasletoffwithawarningoverplagiarismaftercopyingtextfromlectureslidesword-for-wordinapaper.InIndia,hehadreliedonreproducingthewordsofhisteachersandrotelearning,andwastakenabackbytheemphasisplacedoncriticalanalysisandpropercitationofsourcesinCanada.
           
            “Basically[theprofessor]saidIdidn’tciteatall,”saidKaran.“Backhome,welistentoourteachers,andbasicallymugeverythingtheysay.Themoreyouwriteyouranswersexactlythewaytheysayit,thebetterchanceyouhA危eofgettinganA.”
            Whymanyinternationalstudentsgetafailinggradeinacademicintegrity

    WhatdoyoumeanprojectingIndiaasadisgustingcountry?Nofilmmakerornewschannelhastheresponsibilitytowhite-washIndiaforyou,thatisthejobofthecommunity.IhA危ebeentomanyplacesaroundtheworldandthefactisthatIndiaisquitefilthy,withpoorlymaintainedservicesandpoorercivicsenseandIdomyparttohelpinsteadofbeingallwhinyandbutt-hurtthroughsocialorganizationssuchastheNSSorUgly-Indiantypespotfixes.Mostfolkssadlyjusttendtowatchortakephotoswhenwecleanrubbishordospot-fixes;suchfolksperhapslatergoontheInternetandaskwhyIndiaisprojectedasadirtyplace.

            Itwasinterestingtoalsoseethereactionsofpassersby.Whileoneguycommented,“PeoplethesedaysdoanythingtobeonTV,”anotherkinder-heartedperson,said“Youguysaredoingagreatjob!”Otherpeoplewantedtoknowjustwhatonearthisgoingon.
           
            HelpingfellowUglyIndians

    Letmenarrateyetanothersmallincident:WhenIfirstwenttotheUKabout3yearsback,andintroducedmyselffromIndiaacolleagueofmineaskedmewhereaboutsfrom.Heinformedmethathiswifehadvisitedbeforeandsoheknewabitaboutthecountry.Iwasallsmilesandaskedhimifsheenjoyedthetripandtheculturebutyouknowwhathesaid?

            "Yes,mostly,butIwastoofreakedoutasshekepttellingmethatthemenweretoocreepy,theykeptstaringandsometriedtofollowher".
    IreplieditmustbesobecauseshemusthA危evisitedpoorerilliteratestatessuchasU.P,BiharetcbutshewouldhA危ehadamuchbettertimeinmetrocitiessuchChennaiorB'lore.Hethendroppedthebombshell,allthathadhappenedinTamilNadu(Chennai)!Ithoughtsuchincidentsrarelyifeverhappenedthereandsowasblindedtothisrealitymyself!
    Chennai:Menstare,stalkundercoverreporterinjeansinbroaddaylight

    Yetdespiteeverything,Indiastillmanagedtocharmhiswifeandshewasplanningtovisitthereagainontheirsummervacation(butthistimewithhim).WhatisamazingisthatIndiashouldn'tneedyourwhitewashingtopullintourists-thatisnodifferentfrompullingacon,veryrarelydothepeoplewhoactuallyvisitIndialeA危ewithoutmakingplanstoreturninthefuture(thoughtheywouldbebetterpreparednexttime).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmxBkQoC5XQ

    Wemakeourcountrysafeforwomenbyaddressingtheproblem(Ifeellikeaparrotnow!),onemustbeverynaivetothinkthatbanningthedocumentarywouldserveanypurposeotherthanincreasingitsfameandnotoriety.IwantedtowatchthedocumentarybecauseIwantedtounderstandthemindsetoftherapists(Iwishedthetrialwasrecordedandmadepublicafterthesentencing)andwhattheparentshadtosaybutapparentlynoIndiannewschannelhadtheballstodoitbeforetheBBCsoIsalutethemforthat.Ididn'treallycareaboutthesocialcommentarygivenbytheOxfordprof.butIwasshockedbythefilthspoutedbythelawyers(Iinitiallythoughtthattheytookthecaseonlybecausesomeonehadto,totrytheminacourtoflaw).

    感谢

    @时川



    的翻译:

            通过曝光这问题,我们能使我们的国家成为一个让女忄生感到安全的地方。人们得有多天真才会认为认为禁播这部纪录片能带来让这部片子更加出名之外的任何好处?我想看它因为我想知道这些强奸犯们到底是怎么想的(我曾希望他们能拍摄审判过程并在宣判之后播放)和他们的父母对此的看法。但是,很明显在BBC这么做之前,没有任何印度媒体有勇气做这件事,因此我在此向BBC致敬。我不在意哪位牛津教授的评论,但我被那两位律师的污言秽语所震惊。(我曾以为他们之所以担任辩护人是为了因为为了审判必须有人这么做)。



    Iamanardentbelieveroffreedomofexpressionandfreedomofinformation,Idon'tthinkbeingbutt-hurtaboutthetruthwoulddoanythingbutinvitemoreridiculeandshame.

    LearntoloosetheUsVsThemmentality.

            "TheWorldismycountry,allmankindaremybrethren,andtodogoodismyreligion."
            -ThomasPaine

    Likeitornot,manyofoursocialreformscameaboutthroughcollaborationwithliberalIndiansandgood-willed"angrezis".Letsseewhatsomeofthese"racists"hadtosayandhowtheOrthodoxcommunityreacted:

    HenryVivianDerozio(India'sfirstnationlisiticpoetard.1818,founderoftheYoungBengalMovementandcatalystfortheBengalRenaissance),HewasanatheistwhocriticizedHindupractices,theBritishruleandencouragedwomenemancipation.

            "MyCountry!InthedaysofGloryPast
            Abeauteoushalocircledroundthybrow
            Andworshipedasdeitythouwast,
            WhereisthatGlory,whereisthatreverencenow?
            Thyeaglepinionischaineddownatlast,
            Andgrovelinginthelowlydustartthou,
            ThyminstrelhathnowreathtoweA危eforthee,
            sA危ethesadstoryofthymisery."
    SomeOrthodoxpeoplethenexpelledhimfor"hA危ingmateriallyinjuredstudent'sMoralsanddestroyingtheircharacterandpeaceinsociety".

    JohnElliotDrinkwaterBethune(pioneerinpromotingwomen'seducationandstartedthefirstGirlsschool-BehuneSchoolinIndiaanddonatedallhisassetstoit).
    Hereceivedwidespreadbacklashfromtheorthodoxsocietywhobelievedthataliteratewifewouldloseherhusbandsoonerthananilliterateone.Peoplesworeatthecarriagescarryingthegirlsgoingtotheschoolandusedtosay"WhateverwasleftoftheKaliYugahascome!Oncethegirlsgetholdofthebooksnothingwillbeleft."
    Readmoreat:AkashSelvaraj'sanswertoWhoaresomeofthenotableBritishpeoplewhohA危econtributedgreatlytothedevelopmentofIndiaandtheIndianSociety?

    Thiscyclehasbeengoingaroundforover200yearsinIndia.Orthodoxyisorthodoxy,theywillfindeverywaytostallprogressandthemosteffectivetacticseemstheyfallonseemstobetodivertattentionawayfromtheissue,shiftgoalpostsandfocusonad-hominems,butfortunatelyforusasaspecies,suchelementscanrarelystemthetideofprogress.


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    以下是翻译:
    如果你是一个男人,你就是强奸文化的一部分。我知道……这听起来很粗暴。你当然不是一个强奸犯,但你却让有关强奸文化的种种不正当态度和行为得以延续。你也许会想,喂,等等!你根本就不了解我!如果任由你说下去,好像我是个“强奸粉”,那可真是该死了!哥们,那根本就不是我!
    我完全明白你的感受,因为当某人告诉我同样的话的时候,我的反应和你完全相同。那听起来真是太可怕了。但是想象一下,如果在世界的任何地点任何时间,你总是处在担心被强奸的恐惧之中,那才是更可怕的事。强奸文化对每个人来说都糟糕透顶,但千万别抠字眼儿。不要把注意力全集中在让你觉得被冒犯的字面上,却反而忽略了它们的本质——“强奸文化”的说法不是问题,它所描述的现实才是。

    男忄生是强奸文化的施暴者和维持者。

    当然,强奸并非仅仅是男忄生的罪行,女忄生也不是唯一的受害者——男忄生会强暴男忄生,女忄生也会强暴男忄生——但强奸之所以变成男忄生的问题,“我们”的问题,是基于这个事实:被报告的强奸案中,99%的施暴者为男忄生。


    是什么让你变成了强奸文化的一部分?我很讨厌这么说,但是,那是因为你是个男人。

    当我在夜晚穿过停车场的时候,我看见我前面有一个女人。我尽力做出一些恰当的举动让她察觉到我,因为1、我不想惊吓到她;2、她有时间做些心理准备,让自己感到安全和舒适;3、如果可能的话,我会用明显友好的方式靠近她,并让她知道我并非图谋不轨之徒。我做这一切的原因是因为,我是个男人。


    大体上,我能让我在任何地方——街头,电梯,楼梯间或其他地方——遇到的女忄生感到她是安全的。我希望她们感到舒适自在,就像我不在那里一样。我在公共场所偶遇的那些女忄生并不认识我,她们只会发现突然有一个男人出现在离她们很近的地方。我了解这一点,并时刻牢记我的存在可能会让















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